GDT: Amerks/Pirates Sun. 3/7/10, 4:00 PM, HSBC Arena

[Dorky Dave]

BSF,

As always you make some excellent posts however the one thing to remember is that in general Buffalo is much superior to Rochester as far as being a great sports town.

Fans in Rochester come out in droves for 1 time big events, PGA golf, LPGA, even support of Bills football with estimated 20k season ticket holders, even the NASCAR race at the Glen or other big events. Major concerts do well at the arena however the day to day operations of all of our teams are modest at best , perhaps due in part to the over saturation of choices for fans.

In general our city tends to rally support the arts with events at the Eastman and the touring shows like major plays that draw great crowds at our old Auditorium Theater. Many of those fans prefer the arts to our local sporting events; the crossover IMO is very small.

Fans in Buffalo generally care more about their teams that is just how it is for some reason. Don’t get me wrong all of our teams have passionate fans in their own regards it is just they do not have the pulse of the city that follows their results and instead only look at a game as a night out.

[CrunchHatTrick]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Super Fan

I don't agree with the whole Buffalo is a major league city doesn't care about minor league sports that is way to general labeling. If Buffalo didn't care about minor league sports than the Buffalo Bisons, Buffalo Bandits and UB Bulls football that is basically mid major in the Mid-American Conference wouldn't draw flies.

So I take acception to Rochester fans putting Buffalo fans in the Toronto Marlies and city of Toronto catagory. Buffalo isn't like a Toronto or a New York City were there are millions and millions of people mega city that can act to cool for the room. Buffalo is small town america that is what we are major league sports or minor league sports we are a small town that isn't changing with a Stanley Cup or a Super Bowl. It would be great but we are what we are a small town that happens to have two major league sports teams.

We are alot closer to you guys in Rochester than you think. Buffalo isn't some huge mega city. We were a minor league town for years like you guys in Rochester and we know were we came from. We drew well and one of our Buffalo old weathy families the Knox brothers award Buffalo strong fan support in the AHL with the old Buffalo Hockey Bisons with a NHL franchise in 1970 when Buffalo was a much bigger city.

The Buffalo Bills were from a upstart AFL that merged with the NFL in 1970 and the NFL became huge in America. I never in Buffalo got the oh were major league look at us out of Buffalo ever. I live here 42 years and never did I ever see or hear Buffalonians thumb there noses and say I not going because it is garbage minor league sports.

We outdraw you guys who are a top minor league city in baseball and lacrosse last year so I wouldn't say it as simple as Buffalo in major league and doesn't care about minor league sports because that is untrue. If that is how Rochester reads Buffalo you don't know our city as well as you think.

Buffalo isn't like that if it was we would have 3,000 fans at NLL Buffalo Bandits lacrosse games like the New York Titans and I wouldn't be on this board if I thought like that.

UB Bulls average between 15,000 to 20,000 for college football games in the MAC Mid-American Conference. The Buffalo Bisons IL average 8,000 a game last year in a down year. I never came accross a Buffalo sports fan that said I not going to the Buffalo Bisons or Buffalo Bandits game today because you know there not major league like the Buffalo Bills NFL or Buffalo Sabres NHL.

I not saying that those type of fans aren't in Buffalo I sure they are. I just saying I never came accross any in my circles in Buffalo. Buffalo sports fans enjoy sports and like to root on the hometown Buffalo sports teams. We have always been like that long before the Buffalo Bills and Buffalo Sabres and will be like that forever even if the Buffalo Bills and Buffalo Sabres left Buffalo.

To put Buffalo in that catagory is generalizing or sterotyping the city of Buffalo. I want add that another thing Buffalo on tuesday had a major concert in Billy Joel/Elton John with tickets going for $150 a piece according to the Buffalo News concert review HSBC Arena was pretty close to full. That is why I say economics and timing has alot to do with the low attendance for the sundays AHL game in Buffalo.

With that type of ticket price for a concert on tuesday plus the Buffalo Bandits NLL on saturday with 16,000 plus at $23 a ticket window individual prices. Plus Buffalo Sabres NHL games on friday and wednesday and friday again tell me where is the money coming for for the AHL game with two teams not from Buffalo it is simple economics.

You can't spend what you don't have money wise. If you want to say the AHL lost out to bigger events I agree. Buffalo might have dug down in the wallet if it was a Buffalo team meaning there own plus you would have season tickets sold well in advanced in the summer. But if you saying that it is because Buffalo doesn't like AHL hockey because it has major league teams I would disagree with that.

To put a label on Buffalo like we could careless about minor sports because we have two major league teams and wouldn't want to waste our time is very wrong and I would disagree with that generalization about Buffalo.

With Buffalo it is hit and miss and timing plays a big roll how you will draw for AHL games in Buffalo. If Rochester fans think that if Buffalo lost the Buffalo Sabres tommorrow to another city and a Buffalo AHL team replace the Buffalo Sabres NHL and you think we will only draw 4,000 plus for the AHL in Buffalo with our own AHL team with no Buffalo Sabres. Then I have some swamp land to sell you Florida.

We would average 8,000 to 9,000 yearly in the AHL with no Buffalo Sabres anymore in Buffalo anybody thinking anything less is reaching if your going to go by a few AHL games by two non Buffalo teams. Our season ticket base for AHL hockey my guess would be 5,000 to 6,000 alone and that is being on the really really conservative side just the Buffalo businesses buying up the season tickets in the really good sections of HSBC Arena. Then with the big 18,000 plus arena you would draw like the Buffalo Bisons IL 10,000 to 14,000 when holiday season comes around like thanksgiving break and christmas break.

I disagree I think Buffalo even in the AHL instead of the NHL would draw better than my Buffalo Bisons IL baseball. Two reasons one Buffalo is a boarder city. Fort Erie, Niagara Falls and St. Catherines are hockey crazy they still would go to HSBC Arena to watch hockey one over baseball. Two nothing to do in Buffalo in the winter. It took the Buffalo Bisons IL along time to build there fan base back after going nearly a decade with no baseball in Buffalo. Buffalonians like to go outside, vacation also we like playing in our parks, beaches and backyards for Barb-B-Ques. The Buffalo Bisons IL battled that for along time and in some ways still do.

In the winter Buffalo can't do as much so hockey weather it is NHL or AHL would be a huge draw in Buffalo and bigger than baseball and this is a baseball fan telling you this. See that is why I am so surprised about the Rochester Amerks AHL still struggling attendance wise. What are Rochester folks doing in the winter cold months? Bowling I don't know I ask. In Buffalo bowling is still big and sking but after that not alot to do in the winter cold months other than head to the HSBC Arena to check out the Buffalo Sabres or Buffalo Bandits?

Now I am not saying some wouldn't go away ticked off that Buffalo isn't major league because there would be fans ticked off but what I am saying is they would be replaced by fans like myself that could afford to go to games again regularly in Buffalo. If Buffalo had no NHL hockey Buffalonians wouldn't say major league Sabres are gone I don't like AHL hockey I not going. Buffalo is a good sports city period the Bills and Sabres fans would be ticked off if they left but the sport of hockey and football would go on in Buffalo believe me.

I don't hang on every word Ralph Wilson and Tom Golisano say about major league sports in Buffalo personally or care if they threaten me it goes in one ear and out the other. If they go and move away other business people would take there place with minor league sports teams in Buffalo like before we were major league because we are to large of a city to not have some kind of minor league sports teams just on economics Buffalo would be in the AHL if the NHL left Buffalo. The AHL is giving Albany back another hockey team so if the Buffalo Sabres left Buffalo would get AHL hockey and we would draw in my opinion.

I would still be a fan of Buffalo sports teams in the AHL and in college football or the Arena Football League weather it is major or minor it makes no difference to me. I don't go to games because it is major league or minor league. I go to games to win and be entertained for 2 1/2 to 3 hours nothing more.

The Buffalo Sabres are getting ready for the NHL playoffs and I more fired up for Buffalo Bisons IL season opener because we are loaded talent wise. The Buffalo Sabres will go a round or two on Ryan Miller's great goaltending and then be done I love the Buffalo Sabres but that is reality they can't beat the Pittsburgh's and Washington's of the world with more talent anyone thinking other wise is justing hoping or wishing which is fine just telling you like it is.

The Buffalo Bisons IL it is Governors' Cup or bust because the team on paper is that good. Ike Davis is going to have a monster year if he doesn't make the New York Mets he is tearing the cover of the baseball for the New York Mets. Chris Coste looks his usually self hitting well. I am more optomistic about the Buffalo Bisons than my Buffalo Sabres and Buffalo Bills combined.

Fans in Buffalo have already said if the Buffalo Bills leave Buffalo for another city there done with them for good and would follow UB Bulls football fulltime as there favorite football team in Buffalo. That doesn't sound like major league or nothing to me. It sounds like a good sports town to me period. Let's Go Buffalo

I have been to several Bisons games and the most that have been there was 5k. I think you make good points but Buffalo no way would have an AHL season ticket base of 4 or 5k. The game Sunday and in November showed that.

[dih]

Originally Posted by Kent

I swear his post are getting longer and longer just to tick us off.

Dude very few if anyone are reading these.

Gotta admit, I'm barely scanning through them anymore.

[Nebula]

There's an acronym for his posts, TLDR Too long, didn't read

[Buffalo Super Fan]

CrunchHatTrick I like your post most of the time but I disagree with you on this subject. If Buffalo had no Buffalo Sabres NHL we would have a season ticket base of 4,000 to 5,000 with a Buffalo AHL team if no Buffalo Sabres NHL team was in town. Buffalo just a year or so ago went under 4,000 season tickets for IL baseball. Also I want to add it doesn't mean there all in the ball park. Believe me the season tickets are sold and legit for the Buffalo Bisons IL baseball team. Buffalo business people eat tickets big time for the Buffalo Bisons it is only like $500 for a season ticket for 72 games. So remember the 4,000 or 5,000 season tickets base for Buffalo AHL is for a city of Buffalo with no Buffalo Bills or Buffalo Sabres in the future if that was to happen. Those 4,000 numbers on sunday throw out the window.

No way would Buffalo draw under 5,000 for the AHL if that is the only game in town with no more Buffalo Sabres NHL or Buffalo Bills NFL. If that happen I will person come on this board in the future date admit I was wrong and let everyone know I am moving because Buffalo isn't the Buffalo I thought it was and all is lost for the city I love and grew up in. I love Buffalo so it isn't happening. Ask bdaly I am a man of my word I ate crow when the Rochester Knighthawks beat the Buffalo Bandits twice in back to back weekends this year. You guys are the best over Buffalo this year my Buffalo Bandits where out played all the way you guys have the better team this year over my Buffalo Bandits.

If the Buffalo Bills and Buffalo Sabres move out of town and we are embarassing ourselves with Buffalo whatever there call AHL team with under 4,000 or 5,000 AHL ticket average I will admit I was wrong it isn't happening not in my Buffalo. We will go in big numbers with no Bills or Sabres just simple economics.

Remember it only matters if the tickets are sold not weather there attending every game. If the Rochester Amerks sold 5,000 season tickets next year we all would be doing cart wheels because that is money in the bank. Does it hurt concession sure but the Buffalo Bisons season ticket base is also a older person base if I had to guess. Go to opening day and see how many are in the Pettibones Grille to stay warm it is like cocoon. Believe me I am getting old myself at 42 years old. The Buffalo Bisons get that money weather Mr. and Mrs. Howell show up or not think LA or Miami. That is the way you have to look at the Buffalo Bisons the season tickets are sold but not all use there seats nightly there are 72 games to attend plus the cold months of April and May. Buffalo has alot of business people that own seats to the Buffalo Bisons IL. The isn't like eating a $80 Buffalo Sabres NHL hockey ticket. I have giving away Buffalo Bisons tickets before if something comes up like a wedding or a family members birthday it isn't like giving away $80 dollar a piece tickets.

Buffalo is a better hockey town than baseball town today. Kids in Buffalo play hockey it is a hockey city. Buffalo my guess would lead the AHL in attendance for years. Buffalo isn't a Hartford were NHL hockey with the Hartford Whalers was dicey at times. Buffalo would have a strong season ticket base at the AHL prices.

See in a place like Syracuse where you are or even Rochester those season ticket prices may seem high. In Buffalo being used to the higher ticket prices would look at the $500 to $600 for a new Buffalo AHL season tickets as a bargain. Parking wouldn't be NHL prices anymore there are lots of factors. Let's face it if Buffalo was in the AHL we would be a power house like Chicago and Hershey in my opinion. We would get the better free agents because of the attendance numbers like IL baseball now.

Buffalo in the IL the difference between Buffalo and Rochester isn't much were we beat the Red Wings are season tickets base and walk up on friday nights in the summer in a huge double deck baseball stadium. Buffalo Bisons can get a crowd of 13,000 on a friday night or 17,000 plus for July 3 game that can't happen in Rochester because of the size of there baseball park. See any simmerlarities there if Buffalo was in the AHL.

Buffalo if the Buffalo Sabres left town would have one the biggest Arenas HSBC Arena in the AHL I believe. I know some will think BSF Milwaukee and San Antonio don't get those numbers and they have a big arena yes but they also have NBA teams. The AHL if the Buffalo Sabres left would be the biggest thing in Buffalo period.

When I say the 4,000 to 5,000 season tickets for Buffalo AHL I am also factoring in no more Buffalo Bills either. Buffalo isn't a huge college town like Syracuse so the town folks would rally around a Buffalo AHL hockey franchise and the bar would be raised in the AHL. And the talk will be on these boards Rochester has to draw better to keep up with Buffalo AHL team. Why can't we draw like Buffalo after them loosing the NFL and NHL and there still going to games why can't we? And I telling you that in 15 to 20 years could happen.

Buffalo is hanging on in major league sports. Look at the Dallas Cowboys NFL there pushing the bar way beyond what WNY is capable of doing finacially. The Buffalo Sabres are 26th out of 30 teams in revenue according to Forbes magazine we break even with NHL revenue sharing. That is with WNY and Southern Ontario going to game in huge numbers. We can't raise that much more venue that is reality. I not a Buffalonian living in fantasy land. All sports are businesses. The same thing that puts Buffalo out of major league sports will benefit us bigtime in the minor leagues like the AHL.

Buffalo in my opinion is 4 A meanig were a very good minor league city but so so major league city by todays major league standards. I talking economics Buffalo isn't what it once was but we still have 950,000 people in Erie County. That is still there weather we are major league or minor league. Think of Buffalo as the LA or NYC of minor league sports that is what we would become.

The AHL in my opinion will have many suitors for the Buffalo territorry I don't have a doubt about that at all. That is no offense made towards Rochester or Syracuse it is just pure numbers, economics and the cities sports passion. Buffalo had hockey since the 1920's we aren't Phoenix or Tampa.

Rochester would benefit bigtime in my opinion with the rivalry one and two Buffalo and Rochester fans going back and forth like the 60's. Buffalo didn't get to the NHL because it was a weak hockey market. So I disagree with you on the season ticket numbers if Buffalo had AHL instead of the NHL but you entitled to your opinion. I not talking out of the side of my mouth either. Look at the Buffalo Bandits NLL season ticket numbers or the 10,000 plus season ticket holder for UB Bulls MAC football.

The Buffalo Bisons IL have lead baseball in attendance or been in the top half for years. I understand the outside minor league baseball other things going on in the ballpark. Buffalo in the AHL would proable hire someone like Claude the Trumpeter or Crazy George type of thing to show fans a good time. I think we lead the IL baseball in mascots. Buffalo knows how to market and there no way local owners because that is what Buffalo AHL would get if Tom Golisano ever sold the Buffalo Sabres to another city.

A Bob Rich owning a new Buffalo AHL franchise would raise the bar of the AHL and most Amerks hockey fans know that are also Red Wings baseball fans Bob Rich does things the right way. As a minor league AHL team owner he would hire the best you can get to market Buffalo AHL hockey they be on every street corner in Buffalo area. I know I saw it with the Buffalo Bisons baseball. Also remember Buffalo still would have HSBC Arena with the concert market bringing in money for the Buffalo AHL owner who ever he is. We give total control in Buffalo to owners we don't do the third party SMG thing.

A Buffalo AHL team would have more money to market with than a Buffalo IL team because of having a state of the art HSBC Arena that would print money 365 days a year instead of just the summer baseball season. Because those former Buffalo Sabres NHL fans wouldn't all go to AHL games they might take there money to spend on concerts or family shows either way the HSBC Arena owner would get the money in most cases.

Believe me Bob Rich type will jump on the Buffalo AHL team to take control HSBC Arena like the Rich family does at Coke Cola Field. Bob Rich would be looked at as a White Knight by Buffalonian I know I live here if he owned the Buffalo AHL hockey team. I see all the wonderful things he has done for IL baseball in Buffalo over the years. We don't have to worry about subsidizing the Buffalo Bisons IL thanks to Bob Rich.

He never ask for anything from us taxpayers believe me he is thought off highly by us Buffalo sports fans. Buffalo fans I don't think would take it personally most would realize that major league sports out grew Buffalo's reach and continue to support what we have which would be AHL, NLL, IL and whatever new things come along in the future like the Arena Football League in my opinion. Let's Go Buffalo

[insagt1]

[quote=Dorky Dave;143482]BSF,

As always you make some excellent posts however the one thing to remember is that in general Buffalo is much superior to Rochester as far as being a great sports town.

Fans in Rochester come out in droves for 1 time big events, PGA golf, LPGA, even support of Bills football with estimated 20k season ticket holders, even the NASCAR race at the Glen or other big events. Major concerts do well at the arena however the day to day operations of all of our teams are modest at best , perhaps due in part to the over saturation of choices for fans.

In general our city tends to rally support the arts with events at the Eastman and the touring shows like major plays that draw great crowds at our old Auditorium Theater. Many of those fans prefer the arts to our local sporting events; the crossover IMO is very small.

Dave--I think you are pretty close to right on with your post. Big difference too between our two cities is that Buffalo has two major league sports and we have none. I think that makes a big difference. We have always been a minor league town....we get what we get. Its not bad, just we have never had a major league (a real one) team to cheer for. We have to adopt the Bills, Sabres and even the Orange.

[CrunchHatTrick]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Super Fan

CrunchHatTrick I like your post most of the time but I disagree with you on this subject. If Buffalo had no Buffalo Sabres NHL we would have a season ticket base of 4,000 to 5,000 with a Buffalo AHL team if no Buffalo Sabres NHL team was in town. Buffalo just a year or so ago went under 4,000 season tickets for IL baseball. Also I want to add it doesn't mean there all in the ball park. Believe me the season tickets are sold and legit for the Buffalo Bisons IL baseball team. Buffalo business people eat tickets big time for the Buffalo Bisons it is only like $500 for a season ticket for 72 games.

Remember it only matters if the tickets are sold not weather there attending every game. Does it hurt concession sure but the Buffalo Bisons season ticket base is also a older person base if I had to guess. Go to opening day and see how many are in the Pettibones Grille to stay warm it is like cocoon. Believe me I am getting old myself at 42 years old. The Buffalo Bisons get that money weather Mr. and Mrs. Howell show up or not think LA or Miami. That is the way you have to look at the Buffalo Bisons the season tickets are sold but not all use there seats nightly there are 72 games to attend plus the cold months of April and May. Buffalo has alot of business people that own seats to the Buffalo Bisons IL. The isn't like eating a $80 Buffalo Sabres NHL hockey ticket. I have giving away Buffalo Bisons tickets before if something comes up like a wedding or a family members birthday it isn't like giving away $80 dollar a piece tickets.

Buffalo is a better hockey town than baseball town today. Kids in Buffalo play hockey it is a hockey city. Buffalo my guess would lead the AHL in attendance for years. Buffalo isn't a Hartford were NHL hockey with the Hartford Whalers was dicey at times. Buffalo would have a strong season ticket base at the AHL prices.

See in a place like Syracuse where you are or even Rochester those season ticket prices may seem high. In Buffalo being used to the higher ticket prices would look at the $500 to $600 for a new Buffalo AHL season tickets as a bargain. Parking wouldn't be NHL prices anymore there are lots of factors. Let's face it if Buffalo was in the AHL we would be a power house like Chicago and Hershey in my opinion. We would get the better free agents because of the attendance numbers like IL baseball now.

Buffalo in the IL the difference between Buffalo and Rochester isn't much were we beat the Red Wings are season tickets base and walk up on friday nights in the summer in a huge double deck baseball stadium. See any simmerlarities there if Buffalo was in the AHL.

Buffalo if the Buffalo Sabres left town would have one the biggest Arenas HSBC Arena in the AHL I believe. I know some will think BSF Milwaukee and San Antonio don't get those numbers and they have a big arena yes but they also have NBA teams. The AHL if the Buffalo Sabres left would be the biggest thing in Buffalo period.

When I say the 4,000 to 5,000 season tickets for Buffalo AHL I am also factoring in no more Buffalo Bills either. Buffalo isn't a huge college town like Syracuse so the town folks would rally around a Buffalo AHL hockey franchise and the bar would be raised in the AHL. And the talk will be on these boards Rochester has to draw better to keep up with Buffalo AHL team. Why can't we draw like Buffalo after them loosing the NFL and NHL and there still going to games why can't we? And I telling you that in 15 to 20 years could happen.

Buffalo is hanging on in major league sports. Look at the Dallas Cowboys NFL there pushing the bar way beyond what WNY is capable of doing finacially. The Buffalo Sabres are 26th out of 30 teams in revenue according to Forbes magazine we break even with NHL revenue sharing. That is with WNY and Southern Ontario going to game in huge numbers. We can't raise that much more venue that is reality. I not a Buffalonian living in fantasy land. All sports are businesses. The same thing that puts Buffalo out of major league sports will benefit us bigtime in the minor leagues like the AHL.

Buffalo in my opinion is 4 A meanig were a very good minor league city but so so major league city by todays major league standards. I talking economics Buffalo isn't what is once was but we still have 950,000 people in Erie County. That is still there weather we are major league or minor league. Think of Buffalo as the LA or NYC of minor league sports that is what we would become.

The AHL in my opinion will have many suitors for the Buffalo territorry I don't have a doubt about that at all. That is no offense made towards Rochester or Syracuse it is just pure numbers, economics and the cities sports passion. Buffalo had hockey since the 1920's we aren't Phoenix or Tampa.

Rochester would benefit bigtime in my opinion with the rivalry one and two Buffalo and Rochester fans going back and forth like the 60's. Buffalo didn't get to the NHL because it was a weak hockey market. So I disagree with you on the season ticket numbers if Buffalo had AHL instead of the NHL but you entitled to your opinion. I not talking out of the side of my mouth either. Look at the Buffalo Bandits NLL season ticket numbers or the 10,000 plus season ticket holder for UB Bulls MAC football.

The Buffalo Bisons IL have lead baseball in attendance or been in the top half for years. I understand the outside minor league baseball other things going on in the ballpark. Buffalo in the AHL would proable hire someone like Claude the Trumpeter or Crazy George type of thing to show fans a good time. I think we lead the IL baseball in mascots. Buffalo knows how to market and there no way local owners because that is what Buffalo AHL would get if Tom Golisano ever sold the Buffalo Sabres to another city.

A Bob Rich owner a new Buffalo AHL franchise would raise the bar of the AHL and most Amerks hockey fans know that are also Red Wings baseball fans Bob Rich does things the right way. As a minor league AHL team owner he would hire the best you can get to market Buffalo AHL hockey they be on every street corner in Buffalo area. I know I saw it with the Buffalo Bisons baseball. Also remember Buffalo still would have HSBC Arena with the concert market bringing in money for the Buffalo AHL owner who ever he is. We give total control in Buffalo to owners we don't do the third party SMG thing.

A Buffalo AHL team would have more money to market with than a Buffalo IL team because of having a state of the art HSBC Arena that would print money 365 days a year instead of just the summer baseball season. Because those former Buffalo Sabres NHL fans wouldn't all go to AHL games they might take there money to spend on concerts or family shows either way the HSBC Arena owner would get the money in most cases.

Believe me Bob Rich type will jump on the Buffalo AHL team to take control HSBC Arena like the Rich family does at Coke Cola Field. Bob Rich would be looked at as a White Knight by Buffalonian I know I live here if he owned the Buffalo AHL hockey team. I see all the wonderful things he has done for IL baseball in Buffalo over the years. We don't have to worry about subsidizing the Buffalo Bisons IL thanks to Bob Rich.

He never ask for anything from us taxpayers believe me he is thought off highly by us Buffalo sports fans. Buffalo fans I don't think would take it personally most would realize that major league sports out grew Buffalo's reach and continue to support what we have which would be AHL, NLL, IL and whatever new things come along in the future like the Arena Football League in my opinion. Let's Go Buffalo

Well kind of agree but i could counter with if we didnt have SU, we would also have a season ticket base of 4 or 5 k. SU leads the nation in attendance in hoops and lax year in and year out. All three cities are great sports cities but we all have home town pride and thats why I think Syracuse is the best sports town.

[bucky]

Stop comparing Buffalo and Rochester, they are two completely different sports towns.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

Good point CrunchHatTrick SU has a factor from a economic factor on the Syracuse Crunch. Bucky don't be angry all I am point is that Rochester shouldn't think of itself in a negative light. I bring up comparing because I believe Rochester fans look at things the wrong way. If your a Rochester sports fan putting all your eggs in the Buffalo major league sports basket you might get a big surprise someday when there are no longer major league sports team in Buffalo because we coming on that day soon in my opinion.

That is why I compare because I think only a few like Eric get it in Rochester the city needs to take more local pride in there sports teams. The thinking has to change in a positive for sports in Rochester. Going around oh we suck let's go to Buffalo HSBC Arena doesn't get it done. I personally believe the attitude has to change in Rochester towards local sports in Rochester.

All I trying to point out there isn't as much difference as you think Bucky it is the attitude of Rochesterians. I love my Buffalo sports teams but I going and supporting weather there major or minor. That type of attitude needs to comeback to Rochester sports in my opinion for the Rochester Amerks are to succeed long term. It would be easy if I didn't care about the tradition you have in the AHL in hockey to just say Rochester sucks as a sports market move them and forget it.

I believe you are a better sports market than alot of you guys think. No way should the numbers be this bad for the Amerks and Knighthawks look with the numbers in Monroe county in population. Eric is right about the city pride factor and saying stop comparing so I should say nothing and give up on the Rochester Amerks. That isn't a very positive attitude to take from a Rochesterian.

Think about a Buffalonian is telling you how special Rochester Amerks AHL hockey is and at a good affordable prices you guys are lucky that is how Rochester fans should look at the Rochester Amerks hockey everything that makes them great compare to the overpriced major leagues. It isn't all wonderful to be a major league city that is all I am pointing out. And sorry for the fans that hate the long post. I guess don't read them if you don't like them you have a choice no one is focing you to read a post.

Dorky Dave almost forget your post you make some good points I guess I don't think fans should think oh Buffalo is superier I don't think we are superier to Rochester other than the two major league teams. I been to your city it is a nice city and I had a good time every time I been there for the Buffalo Bisons and Buffalo Bandits. Rochester had a NBA team at one time so your not so different even Syracuse had a NBA team the Syracuse Nats. I get your point Dorky Dave I guess if I was a Rochester fans living in Rochester I would where a Rochester Royals NBA jersey like I do with my blue Buffalo Braves NBA Bob McAdoo jersey and take pride in Rochester independance from Buffalo and Syracuse for that matter.

I can't stand the New York Yankees and New York Mets and the New York Mets are our parent team. I am a Buffalonian if all I have is the Buffalo Bisons IL to root for that is all I will root for. I have to much pride to bow down to another city and give up on my cities sports teams. I guess I thinking that the Rochester sports fans should think of all the things that make Rochester a special sports city the heck with Buffalo, Syracuse or New York City if you are a Rochester sports fan that is how I look at things as a Buffalonian it is the proper way to look at things in my opinion. Eric, Dorky Dave and bdaly are three of the best Rochester booster in Rochester in my opinion you need more fans like that. They have a can do attitude in my opinion they are Rochester Super Fans. Let's Go Buffalo